Michael Laws Slams Modern Warfare 2 (Updated with Audio)


Published By: Morgan Bates   On: Monday 16 Nov 2009 1:55 PM

Yesterday, on his Radio Live talkback show, host and opinionated politician Michael Laws had the recently released Modern Warfare 2 in his crosshairs.

In his opening editorial he talked about Modern Warfare 2 – more specifically, the scene in which players go undercover to infiltrate the terrorists and tear through a few dozen civilians. This scene caused a stir when it was leaked prior to release. Although it remained, it has to be noted the scene can be skipped by selecting the option at the start of the game, if that sort of thing offends you.



Listen to Michael Laws' opening editorial.



To follow up the talk, the latest Opinionation on the Radio Live website asks “Are they (video games) an entertainment or are they causing our children to grow up without understanding 'consequence'?”

Reader opinions were divided, some stating that games were “hard wiring kids to become cold killers that's harsh but true.” This proved to be a minority view on the site with 11 disagreements.

The most agreed upon opinion states: “Michael Laws actually said that violence caused by computer games was more serious than alcohol or cigarettes in the home. When someone pointed out that the game he was ranting about was R18. How can someone in his position have such a low understand of the effect of alcohol vs. computer games?”

If kids are growing up without an understanding of consequence it’s the parents that are failing to teach them through discipline. If a kid misbehaves they should show them that there are always consequences - immediate ones that adversely affect them.

This isn’t the work of video games; it’s simply a coincidence that they happen to enjoy gaming.

What are your thoughts on this?

Update 16th November: We've added the audio of the opening editorial. Listen and leave your thoughts below!



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cole-j
On Friday 13 Nov 2009 2:47 PM Posted by cole-j
definantly agree that games dont mould children into killers
 
 
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Hato-kun
On Friday 13 Nov 2009 3:05 PM Posted by Hato-kun
Who wants to go to the airport tomorrow? :D
 
 
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stupidlikeafox
On Friday 13 Nov 2009 3:23 PM Posted by stupidlikeafox
idiot. if this were the case there would be mass genocide from all those *kids* playing this apparently corrupting *r18* game.
 
 
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Ron
On Friday 13 Nov 2009 3:23 PM Posted by Ron
Not a parent myself, but I think there's far worse things in the world for kids to be doing, at least they're at home and not selling drugs and drinking. Besides this game is R18, and R18 for a reason.
 
 
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Donutta
On Friday 13 Nov 2009 3:24 PM Posted by Donutta
Michael Laws flips a coin to see whether something is "nanny state" or "government not doing its job." He goes on about fit parents, and then says it's the governments job to regulate these games.

Meh, he's a detestable human being. Even being the raging conservative I am, I cannot support anything this man says.

For the record, this is what I posted on his site:

"Violent games are not for children. If children have them, look at the irresponsible parents.

That said, this question was obviously put forward by yet another person who has never played a video game past Pong. Although the narratives are hardly Hamlet, many are strong enough to stand on their own, and many also ask many significant questions of the player. For example, Valkyria Chronicles asks the question of whether someone who is on the other side of a conflict, someone who is part of a regime that is killing your fellow citizens, is inherently evil -- and should you, the player, leave him to die painful as he calls out for his mother or make his final hours as comfortable as possible. Given the nature of interactivity in these titles, it teaches the player a lot about not only the grey areas in life, but makes them examine their own moral fibre. That is something that no vicarious experience can hope to replicate.

Rather than asking leading and inflammatory questions, Michael, why not spend that time becoming familiar with the medium and understand exactly why these games are so popular?"

I expect it to get down-voted by his audience.
 
 
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Jarrad
On Friday 13 Nov 2009 3:51 PM Posted by Jarrad
Im going to say what everyone is thinking FCUK MICHAEL LAWS! NEW ZEALAND DOES NOT NEED THEIR OWN JACK THOMPSON!!!
 
 
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chinaman71
On Friday 13 Nov 2009 4:35 PM Posted by chinaman71
well to completely kill his theory its been proven in a number of studies that computer game killing is actually a release and in real life you dont strike out as violently anymore because youve 'spent' yourself prior
 
 
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idkkp
On Friday 13 Nov 2009 4:59 PM Posted by idkkp
The media always seem to find/make ties between video games and crimes committed by people. It seems Michael Laws has the stereotype that gamers are violent offenders or overweight and lazy. How is it possible that video games cause more harm than alcohol I don't remember hearing about all the car crashes caused by video games.
 
 
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nimrod76
On Friday 13 Nov 2009 6:20 PM Posted by nimrod76
"Violent games are not for children. If children have them, look at the irresponsible parents" Well said Donutta.
I am sure I heard the other day that there was a marked decrease in youth crime (in the States I think)at the same time that video games became main stream.
 
 
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JDogg
On Friday 13 Nov 2009 7:51 PM Posted by JDogg
Normally I agree with most of Michael Laws views and think he's one of the only people in NZ to have the balls to say something against what is normally so PC its not funny. But this is a rear occurrence where I think he is wrong, Games are rated in NZ for a reason, 18 year old's and over already know what is right from wrong, you can't blame the game because a Movie or Music can have the same effect. It comes down to the parents letting them play such games, someone at my work the other day said he lets his 8 year old play God Of War which I think is ridiculous, another mass murder/serial killer under training! If you desensitize a child to that sort of violence at a early ages he's not going to give a sh*t about it later on when he has the means to actually do something similar! I'm waiting for for kid to rip a cyclops eyeball out and I will know the dad lol

mind my spelling, grammar and idea's, had a few drinks already :oD
 
 
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SpawnSeekSlay
On Friday 13 Nov 2009 7:55 PM Posted by SpawnSeekSlay
Wish they would just survey and research this, Im tired of the theoritical nonsense of the video games causing violent kids argument... they are simply pinning a tail on the donkey as a point of blame... which has soo many flaws.
How hard would it be to go to jail or a youth detention and survey how many have played hardcore violent video games, and feel they wish to reenact such events or feel that due to gaming they werent aware of consequence... Its not hard.
Video games to blame? What about movies? Saw or Hostel anyone? Did u know Nickelodeon was classified as have 'more violence per minute' than any other channel? lol wtf i know. Blame Nickelodeon for poisoning the minds of the young with the 'hitting/stabbing/shotting is ok' lol
 
 
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Omg_a_kid_with_GTA
On Friday 13 Nov 2009 9:40 PM Posted by Omg_a_kid_with_GTA
Im a kid I just played MW2 and live 5 minutes away from an airport. No i am not gonna go to the airport and kill civilians there is way too much stuff to worry about then videogames.
 
 
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Sp3kt0r
On Friday 13 Nov 2009 10:49 PM Posted by Sp3kt0r
You have to be mentally weak if you think playing video games should be re-enacted in real life. They make video games for the sole purpose of entertainment. Proof that video games don't ruin worldy/virtual perception: peeps on this site lol
 
 
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ChiefHank
On Friday 13 Nov 2009 11:55 PM Posted by ChiefHank
Like a lot of others here, I agree with some of what Michael Laws says and believes. This is one of those times that I don't.

It's the same ol' winge... let's put the blame on everything and everyone except where it really lies. Over the last few decades, our society has found every conceivable way to not make people responsible for their actions and choices. It's either their upbringing, it's the drugs or booze, or it's violence on TV, or in the movies and video games, or it's guns. It's always some lame excuse why a person shouldn't be held responsible for their own actions.

Wanna know who's responsible for kids bein' out of control today? Their parents and the governments, that's who! There are a lot of parents out there who don't care about their kids, and don't offer any supervision at all. But then, those that want to are stifled by lame laws that punish them with fines and/or jail if they send their kid to his/her room!! Give me a break!!

When I was growing up, if you were under 18, your ass was in your house at night by 10 PM! If you weren't, you were hauled into the police station and your parents were called to come get you. The second time, you were placed under arrest and charged with juvenile delinquency. The third time, your partents were charged with failure to supervise and being unfit, and forced to appear in court to answer those charges. There is no good reason on God's green Earth for kids to be roaming the streets all hours of the night. It's their right? BULLSH*T! Children have rights, but that ain't one of 'em! They also don't have the right to call the police because they were sent to their room by their parents! You don't give a child that kind of power!

There are those who are so hung up about kids not being subjected to violence in video games, but would they take the same precautions to make sure children don't watch the nightly newscasts? All they will see are reports about violence, war, hatred, anger, bitterness, corruption, drugs, booze, religious fanaticism, famine, destruction, and death in a myriad of forms. But it's educational. HA!

Any violence portrayed in Modern Warfare 2, is nothing that isn't going on in the REAL world TODAY. Kids under 18 shouldn't be playing the game, and if they are, who is allowing them to?

The bottom line is this... if anyone plays out in real life what they experienced in a video game, then let me tell ya, folks, there were some extremely serious issues goin' on long before that game ever came along.

I was going to end this with an apropo bit of humor, but I'd probably have the AOS kicking down my door and taking my guns awa, so I'll refrain.

GAME ON!!
 
 
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emetic
On Saturday 14 Nov 2009 1:20 AM Posted by emetic
Michael Laws is, as always, speaking deliberately incendiarily. He likes people to debate.
 
 
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nimrod76
On Saturday 14 Nov 2009 8:49 AM Posted by nimrod76
13 November 2009, 11:55 PM Reply to ChiefHank
Like a lot of others here, I agree with some of what Michael Laws says and believes. This is one of those times that I don't.

It's the same ol' winge... let's put the blame on everything and everyone except where it really lies. Over the last few decades, our society has found every conceivable way to not make people responsible for their actions and choices. It's either their upbringing, it's the drugs or booze, or it's violence on TV, or in the movies and video games, or it's guns. It's always some lame excuse why a person shouldn't be held responsible for their own actions.

Wanna know who's responsible for kids bein' out of control today? Their parents and the governments, that's who! There are a lot of parents out there who don't care about their kids, and don't offer any supervision at all. But then, those that want to are stifled by lame laws that punish them with fines and/or jail if they send their kid to his/her room!! Give me a break!!

When I was growing up, if you were under 18, your ass was in your house at night by 10 PM! If you weren't, you were hauled into the police station and your parents were called to come get you. The second time, you were placed under arrest and charged with juvenile delinquency. The third time, your partents were charged with failure to supervise and being unfit, and forced to appear in court to answer those charges. There is no good reason on God's green Earth for kids to be roaming the streets all hours of the night. It's their right? BULLSH*T! Children have rights, but that ain't one of 'em! They also don't have the right to call the police because they were sent to their room by their parents! You don't give a child that kind of power!

There are those who are so hung up about kids not being subjected to violence in video games, but would they take the same precautions to make sure children don't watch the nightly newscasts? All they will see are reports about violence, war, hatred, anger, bitterness, corruption, drugs, booze, religious fanaticism, famine, destruction, and death in a myriad of forms. But it's educational. HA!

Any violence portrayed in Modern Warfare 2, is nothing that isn't going on in the REAL world TODAY. Kids under 18 shouldn't be playing the game, and if they are, who is allowing them to?

The bottom line is this... if anyone plays out in real life what they experienced in a video game, then let me tell ya, folks, there were some extremely serious issues goin' on long before that game ever came along.

I was going to end this with an apropo bit of humor, but I'd probably have the AOS kicking down my door and taking my guns awa, so I'll refrain.

GAME ON!!
Wish I was this eloquent. Well said Chief.
 
 
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ChatterboxZombie
On Saturday 14 Nov 2009 11:13 AM Posted by ChatterboxZombie
Well if you're going to kill people in videogames, it might aswell be children

Or Women or handicapped people or black people or Jews or something
 
 
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evil_angel74
On Saturday 14 Nov 2009 1:22 PM Posted by evil_angel74
ok tbh, he's in his 50's or 60's. He has no idea what effect a violent video game would have on a child. He hasnt undergone childhood as a video gamer.

If any gaming children grow up without realising that every action has a consequence, that is the fault of their parents, who probably buy them R18 games that they arent meant to have, and then leaving them to play it while they go off and do something else.

He is probably only ranting on about MW2 becuase it's one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) games of 2009, maybe he needs some publicity.

He clearly doesnt understand video gaming at all. And how good games are much better forms of entertainment then a book or a movie. They provide the narrative of a novel, the cinematics of a movie, interactivity, moral choices etc etc.

And whatever any surveys or studies show about the "do violent video games make serial killers" debate, it all comes down to the player. If they are schizophrenic and also tend to get drawn into the game too much and are depressed, then yea they might make a turn for the worst.
However if they are just a regular person who has a regular life and common sense, then its just entertainment. NOT a f***ing murder simulator.

Seriously. its like us saying that if aliens exist, they all have flying saucer ships and laser guns. We dont understand them therefore we should not pretend to undersatnd them and judge them. The same goes for all these old politicians that dont understand video games.
 
 
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teen645
On Saturday 14 Nov 2009 4:23 PM Posted by teen645
its r18 so only people with a 18 year olds brain should be playing. if not the its the parents fault only
 
 
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proGENE
On Saturday 14 Nov 2009 11:24 PM Posted by proGENE
14 November 2009, 11:13 AM Reply to ChatterboxZombie
Well if you're going to kill people in videogames, it might aswell be children

Or Women or handicapped people or black people or Jews or something
I reckon if they made a game which focused on killing harmless civilians, children, black people, jews and handicapped it would just go right over the heads of most people. Didn't fairytale fights have a 'kill 1000 children' achievement? Also GTAIV's episodes have like no controversy surrounding them because Rockstar pushed the boundries when IV came out and now no-one gives a sh*t if some pixelated black guy bones a chick in a club.
 
 
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Deanology
On Sunday 15 Nov 2009 11:53 AM Posted by Deanology
Michael Laws doesn't hate MW2.
He is just peeved that it costs so much.

The ratings system should ween the kids out, Unfortunately it doesn't.

I'm with Donutta, violent games are not for children.
 
 
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Gazza22
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 12:43 AM Posted by Gazza22
Geez imagine if the name of the game had a 'H' in it.

amirite!
 
 
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ChiefHank
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 12:07 PM Posted by ChiefHank
16 November 2009, 12:43 AM Reply to Gazza22
Geez imagine if the name of the game had a 'H' in it.

amirite!
LMAO!!
 
 
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ChiefHank
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 12:08 PM Posted by ChiefHank
Modern Wharfare or Modern Warwhare?
 
 
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RebeccaG
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 1:46 PM Posted by RebeccaG
Art imitates life and video games are a very creative and modern art form. Children form their morality from everything they see around them, family, friends, education and all forms of media. Blaming video games is an old argument that has already been proven to be false by sociologists the world over. Anyone who becomes violent or anti-social has an underlying personality disorder to begin with and games, movies, music and books can not be blamed for creating violence in our society.
 
 
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Munkah
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 2:21 PM Posted by Munkah
"Is this what we want for our kids?" Who wants to buy their kid an R18 game again? We should throw them in jail.
 
 
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Donutta
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 2:25 PM Posted by Donutta
Ugh. Listening to that audio just demonstrates how detestable that man is. His ad hominem attacks against Bill Hastings just highlight what a close-minded bigot Michael Laws actually is.
 
 
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ssalex
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 2:53 PM Posted by ssalex
Well I did think quite highly of Michael Laws, but this just leaves me dazed :S comments like “mass murder would be committed by a gamer” I mean wtf??? Show me something that supports that… he seems to have bought into the whole “violent videos game” very uncritically. Even the statement he made about, the first you open fire on are innocent people in an air port. That is factually wrong.
 
 
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leopardsqueezy
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 3:40 PM Posted by leopardsqueezy
If the number of "innocent people" needlessly destroyed/blown up/squished in games correlated directly to a person's psyche/behaviour in real life, I would be the most evil, murderous son of a beach since Hitler. Yet my real life victim count still remains a paltry zero. How can this be, Mr Laws?

Like so many things in the world, there are very few hard and fast rules. By Michael Laws's logic, Christianity is a breeding program for rapists, because a few priests and bishops sodomise the odd altar boy. It's just not an argument that really holds up in any way.
 
 
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leopardsqueezy
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 3:43 PM Posted by leopardsqueezy
And also, like a number of other people here, I generally like Laws' views on a number of topics, especially his hard stance on crime and criminals, and for having the guts to say what a lot of kiwis are probably thinking, but he seems to have rushed into this topic without really dissecting it first.
 
 
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Veen130
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 4:21 PM Posted by Veen130
“mass murder would be committed by a gamer”

I find this quote a little offensing. A gamer has as much chance of commiting "mass murder" as some one that watchs movies or watches T.V.

Shame on u Mr. Laws
 
 
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Byskyre
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 4:30 PM Posted by Byskyre
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM douchery.
 
 
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Soyerz
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 4:31 PM Posted by Soyerz
Eh, just another brick in the wall who claims sh*t with no proper research...
 
 
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MrSpellcheck
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 4:49 PM Posted by MrSpellcheck
Man, he's so TYPICAL! He admits in the beginning that he knows it's meant for adults, and yet later on he, almost as if he's reading from a script, pulls the "think of the children" card.
 
 
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nimrod76
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 5:33 PM Posted by nimrod76
R18..... pretty sure that means you have to be 18 years or older to play/view this game!
 
 
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Omg_a_kid_with_GTA
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 5:37 PM Posted by Omg_a_kid_with_GTA
What a wanker.


"Gamers a very unusual group of people"

"If mass murder was to be commited in this country it would be commited by a gamer"
 
 
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idkkp
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 6:50 PM Posted by idkkp
3 news have now picked up on it
 
 
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chinaman71
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 6:51 PM Posted by chinaman71
anyone wanna go to Wanganui wait at the airport and only kill him? hahhaha
Anyways... another issue isnt it illegal to have your own show and be a politician? well for TV it differently is why is radio allowed?
On a side note he likes the gay porn ;) that's why he isnt b*tching about it lol
 
 
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Donutta
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 7:31 PM Posted by Donutta
16 November 2009, 06:50 PM Reply to idkkp
3 news have now picked up on it
To be fair, 3 News is taking the angle that Michael Laws is a wanker. :D
 
 
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Munkah
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 8:34 PM Posted by Munkah
16 November 2009, 07:31 PM Reply to Donutta
To be fair, 3 News is taking the angle that Michael Laws is a wanker. :D
Lol noticed that.
 
 
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hudiscapidicus
On Tuesday 17 Nov 2009 8:39 AM Posted by hudiscapidicus
16 November 2009, 05:37 PM Reply to Omg_a_kid_with_GTA
What a wanker.


"Gamers a very unusual group of people"

"If mass murder was to be commited in this country it would be commited by a gamer"
Has he forgot we have had mass murderers in this country. Then again, everyone knows David Gray was just taking out his frustrations with Super Mario Brothers 3... Geez, Michael Laws is a right c*ck isn't he
 
 
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cortez72
On Tuesday 17 Nov 2009 12:16 PM Posted by cortez72
The young people I know who have committed violent crimes didn't have video games because their parents couldn't afford them/spent their money on alcohol.

Its a reflection a parenting skills without a doubt, furthermore, if you are a responsible parent, you won't buy your child R18 material. Any under 18-ner's on NZgamer had a parent rock up to them with booze and porn lately?

The Anti-smacking bill is more distructive than a video game cut scene. I grew up with the wooden spoon as punishment, and I have never stolen/assaulted/cheated anyone in my life.
 
 
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Deanology
On Tuesday 17 Nov 2009 12:44 PM Posted by Deanology
17 November 2009, 12:16 PM Reply to cortez72
The young people I know who have committed violent crimes didn't have video games because their parents couldn't afford them/spent their money on alcohol.

Its a reflection a parenting skills without a doubt, furthermore, if you are a responsible parent, you won't buy your child R18 material. Any under 18-ner's on NZgamer had a parent rock up to them with booze and porn lately?

The Anti-smacking bill is more distructive than a video game cut scene. I grew up with the wooden spoon as punishment, and I have never stolen/assaulted/cheated anyone in my life.
Deffo,
its up to the parents in install a sense of right or wrong in their kids, and without punishment, how is the kid supposed to know.
Sometimes a spoon or belt is a just cause.
Thats the way i grew up, and i believe i'm better for it.

Laws needs to pull his head out his a**,
and seriously think before he spouts out.

I generally like the guy, cos he is outspoken, but this is just laughable.
When it comes to homicidal gamers, the term "only in america" should be always present.
 
 
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Kal El Bro
On Tuesday 17 Nov 2009 4:16 PM Posted by Kal El Bro
GOSH! Mr Laws is an idiot. I get sick to death of people pointing the finger at gamers. Michael Laws, FAIL!
 
 
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kiwiatlarge
On Tuesday 17 Nov 2009 6:16 PM Posted by kiwiatlarge
pfft... the Idiot decided he would rain on the parade of the football WC qualifier win yesterday.

Man I wish my cellphone would get AM reception so I could have listened to Radio Sport instead, lol..
 
 
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Sp3kt0r
On Tuesday 17 Nov 2009 8:37 PM Posted by Sp3kt0r
I'd like to know where he pulled that random statistic (the 'Gamers-are-most-likely-to-be-killers' one). What a d*ckhead. I just want to hunt him down and squeeze a lemon into his eyes.
 
 
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SpawnSeekSlay
On Tuesday 17 Nov 2009 8:46 PM Posted by SpawnSeekSlay
I only just found out smoking could kill me..
And now they say playing games will turn me into a murderer! Well i cant have that now.
Have decided to quit both...
*gets snakes'n'ladders boardgame from closet*
 
 
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elbows
On Tuesday 17 Nov 2009 11:04 PM Posted by elbows
I am a parent and a gamer, and I find it absolutely nauseating that people like Mr Laws believe they have the right to impose there own thoughts and opinions on others as some kind of social law. He is perfectly within his right to have his own opinion and to share it - as is anyone else! The fact he portrays himself as morally superior is beyond arrogant and much more inclined to insight hatred than playing a game. I could go on... but then I'd be just like him...
 
 
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elbows
On Tuesday 17 Nov 2009 11:14 PM Posted by elbows
But I can't help myself... I would never let my children play something that I feel is unsuitable - or watch or listen for that matter. Issues like this have to be monitored in the home first. Censorship is a basis for parental judgment, but not the be all and end all. If more focus was spent on taking responsibility and being accountable for the choices we make there would be a lot less of this blame game and merry go round. But then, well, I guess he gets paid for this and if this thread is anything to go by, he certainly has a lot of people talking...
 
 
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Donutta
On Wednesday 18 Nov 2009 1:04 AM Posted by Donutta
17 November 2009, 06:16 PM Reply to kiwiatlarge
pfft... the Idiot decided he would rain on the parade of the football WC qualifier win yesterday.

Man I wish my cellphone would get AM reception so I could have listened to Radio Sport instead, lol..
Wow, he did, didn't he?

What a complete c**t. I'm usually loath to use that word, but my God does he personify it.
 
 
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Phoenix
On Wednesday 18 Nov 2009 11:12 AM Posted by Phoenix
17 November 2009, 06:16 PM Reply to kiwiatlarge
pfft... the Idiot decided he would rain on the parade of the football WC qualifier win yesterday.

Man I wish my cellphone would get AM reception so I could have listened to Radio Sport instead, lol..
Really? Did he? What a complete d*ck.
 
 
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maniaclemax
On Wednesday 18 Nov 2009 5:30 PM Posted by maniaclemax
yet another reason to despise laws
 
 
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J-Deezy
On Wednesday 18 Nov 2009 10:59 PM Posted by J-Deezy
There are just so many things wrong with this man and his argument. 1. "Gamers are unusual people and most likely to be the people who commit mass murder" - Geez i wish i could pull out facts out of my as* with the astounding ability of Michael Laws, ooo heres one "100% of gamers most likely want to kill Michael Laws" not true but probably much closer to whatever that douche suggested. Bah, there was gonna be more but this flawed argument is just too easy and im too pissed off with Laws, i hate that self-righteous bast*rd!! lol im angry
 
 
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PotatoLegs
On Friday 20 Nov 2009 4:33 PM Posted by PotatoLegs
michael laws = king douche
 
 
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sakuraba
On Sunday 22 Nov 2009 7:04 PM Posted by sakuraba
i think i saw laws in that kung fu movie , enter the drag queen!
 
 
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